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Lets make Kony famous... and bring him to justice!

\/ Yeah, its 30 minutes, and its definitely worth the watch.

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Invisible Chlidren is a great organization, they just try to raise awareness to the general public. There's no reason to hate on them just because it's from 'America' that doesn't inherently give a reason to hate something. At least examine something before trashing it.

Let the Ugandans deal with their own problem.

(03-08-2012, 07:48 PM)darkxephos Wrote: [ -> ]Let the Ugandans deal with their own problem.

Let's evaluate this intellectually sound statement.
I'm not Jewish, so I shouldn't be concerned with the happenings of the Holocaust

I don't live in Darfur, so I could care less that the Government is murdering innocent civilians

I don't directly affiliate with a group of people that need my help, so I shouldn't give one shit.

Really xephos?

Once again....already have been two other threads about this

Genocide, murder, rape, and abduction has been going on in Africa for decades, and NOW people are realizing they need help? This should have been on the "To do list" years ago! These people live in a country ravaged by war, disease and corruption and they only thing the 1st world has been doing is sending millions of their hard earned dollars to TV Organisations that use it for god knows what. This was long overdue.

(03-08-2012, 07:50 PM)GoDjMike Wrote: [ -> ]I don't directly affiliate with a group of people that need my help, so I shouldn't give one shit.

Really xephos?

Eeyup.

(03-08-2012, 09:09 PM)darkxephos Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-08-2012, 07:50 PM)GoDjMike Wrote: [ -> ]I don't directly affiliate with a group of people that need my help, so I shouldn't give one shit.

Really xephos?

Eeyup.

Nice to know that you so humorously disregard people who genuinely need outside help because they're unable to help themselves. Moral obligations exist if you're reached the highest level on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Blatant immorality and disregardful things such as that sicken me.

If you look at the video itself, its put together really well.
A nice combination of audio, video, and other things.

(03-08-2012, 07:35 PM)GoDjMike Wrote: [ -> ]Invisible Chlidren is a great organization, they just try to raise awareness to the general public. There's no reason to hate on them just because it's from 'America' that doesn't inherently give a reason to hate something. At least examine something before trashing it.

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

Even if there has been another thread about this subject, thank you Albuca for spreading this.
@Mike: I genuinely respect your response to Xephos and your outlook on the subject.

I think I am the only one who does not fully agree with everyone's plan to stop Koby.
here is what i think
alright, they say they want to start a war against this guy FOR PEACE? serioulsly? you want to start a war (where a buttload of people die) for peace. No offense, but that is like screwing for virginity. if you want to fight for peace, negotiate, but he clearly won't but just saying you want to fight for peace is just retarded.
and now the U.S. is sending soldiers/people to help the africans train and that will just make kony more paranoid, causing him to try to get more children slavesoldiers faster and to train them faster and harder so they may be used in combat and whatever he needs done quicker
and america keeps sticking their finger into other countries applesauce i mean theyre always having some military influenece in some warring place, and that just leads to that countries people hating us. Now it won't be long before they send squads of soldiers there too...on the other hand the people do need help but america is giving them help the wrong way. We need to donate money food weapons and supplies there, not american people. America interferes with too many countries, and i think it is time for america to step back and wait for them to settle their own differences, we have enough problems of our own. This doesn't mean to compoletely ignore them, this emans to get people aware of whats going on so they will donate moeny so they can result it theirselves without too much american interference.
Now watch me get called an insenstive bastard, but just so you know, I DO CARE but this is not our problem, and we have to let other countries deal with their shit for once, and no, we don't need soldiers to do solve this problem for us.
If people sincerely WANT to do something and they KNOW they can, then they WILL do it.
However, they think no one knows right now, they think they can't stop him, so they don't all fight back, but everytime this happens, something builds up inside the people, and is released at precisely the right moment.
If we just send them food money and weapons to help them, they will eventually build up enough courage and decide they have had enough and then they will stop him
The snowball is rolling, it is growing, and these people are the snowball. It is growing, and Kony is at the bottom. If they get enough hope, and don't give up, then the snowball will not stop, and they will get to the bottom of the hill, and roll right on over Kony..

(03-09-2012, 12:23 AM)thefluffyswan Wrote: [ -> ]I think I am the only one who does not fully agree with everyone's plan to stop Koby.
here is what i think
alright, they say they want to start a war against this guy FOR PEACE? serioulsly? you want to start a war (where a buttload of people die) for peace. No offense, but that is like screwing for virginity. if you want to fight for peace, negotiate, but he clearly won't but just saying you want to fight for peace is just retarded.
and now the U.S. is sending soldiers/people to help the africans train and that will just make kony more paranoid, causing him to try to get more children slavesoldiers faster and to train them faster and harder so they may be used in combat and whatever he needs done quicker
and america keeps sticking their finger into other countries applesauce i mean theyre always having some military influenece in some warring place, and that just leads to that countries people hating us. Now it won't be long before they send squads of soldiers there too...on the other hand the people do need help but america is giving them help the wrong way. We need to donate money food weapons and supplies there, not american people. America interferes with too many countries, and i think it is time for america to step back and wait for them to settle their own differences, we have enough problems of our own. This doesn't mean to compoletely ignore them, this emans to get people aware of whats going on so they will donate moeny so they can result it theirselves without too much american interference.
Now watch me get called an insenstive bastard, but just so you know, I DO CARE but this is not our problem, and we have to let other countries deal with their shit for once, and no, we don't need soldiers to do solve this problem for us.
If people sincerely WANT to do something and they KNOW they can, then they WILL do it.
However, they think no one knows right now, they think they can't stop him, so they don't all fight back, but everytime this happens, something builds up inside the people, and is released at precisely the right moment.
If we just send them food money and weapons to help them, they will eventually build up enough courage and decide they have had enough and then they will stop him
The snowball is rolling, it is growing, and these people are the snowball. It is growing, and Kony is at the bottom. If they get enough hope, and don't give up, then the snowball will not stop, and they will get to the bottom of the hill, and roll right on over Kony..

Quote:alright, they say they want to start a war against this guy FOR PEACE? serioulsly? you want to start a war (where a buttload of people die) for peace. No offense, but that is like screwing for virginity.

What matters here is proportionality, in the long run, if fighting for these people's freedom costs less than it would if the United Nations didn't intervene, then it's something morally justified and statistically justified.

Quote:if you want to fight for peace, negotiate, but he clearly won't but just saying you want to fight for peace is just retarded

Firstly, there isn't anyone that Kony is going to negotiate with, and secondly if there was, he wouldn't halt his operations because he's gaining economic and social power. Negotiations wouldn't work, and there aren't any other alternatives than targeted killing or conventional warfare.

Quote:and now the U.S. is sending soldiers/people to help the africans train and that will just make kony more paranoid, causing him to try to get more children slavesoldiers faster and to train them faster and harder so they may be used in combat and whatever he needs done quicker

Not the United States, but the United Nations would be the ones controlling that. Targeted Killing would be the preferable method of elimination, so that his 'agitation' wouldn't be relevant.

Quote:and america keeps sticking their finger into other countries applesauce i mean theyre always having some military influenece in some warring place, and that just leads to that countries people hating us

Again, the United Nations is a group of nations that control situations just as this one, since the US is part of that, they're required to send some resources over. In this situation, it would be illogical to assume that the people don't want the violence to end. The people being affected by Kony would prefer to no longer be under his control or manipulation, not to continue the horrifying life style they have right now.

Quote:America interferes with too many countries, and i think it is time for america to step back and wait for them to settle their own differences, we have enough problems of our own

There's a distinct difference between Domestic and Foreign affairs, not the same thing. This would be a foreign affair that wouldn't have any complications with our domestic affairs if the situation stays in hand, as it is right now and in the foreseeable future.

Quote:I DO CARE but this is not our problem, and we have to let other countries deal with their shit for once, and no, we don't need soldiers to do solve this problem for us

If you do really care about what's happening, then what alternatives to targeted killing-not conventional warfare, do you suggest? As you said, negotiating is out of the question.

Quote:If people sincerely WANT to do something and they KNOW they can, then they WILL do it

Clearly it's not in the people's best interest to be under the direct jurisdiction of Kony, as people are dying and villages being destroyed with lives being lost consistantly. It would be a logical fallacy to assume they will help themselves if they examine the situation, because as you can see, they have nowhere to go as refugees.

Quote:If we just send them food money and weapons to help them, they will eventually build up enough courage and decide they have had enough and then they will stop him

The reason why they aren't revolting is because they're not supplied for any kind of revolt. It's unarmed civilians against ruthless militants with machine guns and other armory. How do you assume that civilians can effectively combat trained militants? You can't inherently prove that they would win freedom and escape with their lives.

Quote:The snowball is rolling, it is growing, and these people are the snowball. It is growing, and Kony is at the bottom. If they get enough hope, and don't give up, then the snowball will not stop, and they will get to the bottom of the hill, and roll right on over Kony..

How can Kony be at the bottom when he's the one effectively oppressing these people with brute force? Clearly they have no hope since there isn't any aid for their cause. You can't inherently say that if all the oppressed peoples gain enough courage and hope that they can empirically win out a war against a tyrannical warlord with trained militants. That would be assuming too much.

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