08-29-2013, 09:19 PM
Quote:"You're correct about what prejudice means, however I don't know how you missed that the term "biblefaggot" implies that an individual is a faggot simply because of their religious beliefs, and nothing more; which IS prejudice."
I fail to see how being against someone for believing something is prejudice, imagine this scenario: 'I believe that all of the French should be shot'. You would probably be against this and state that opinion of the matter, and you'd have reason to dislike this person for that belief.
If you identify as a religion as a general rule you probably do agree with what the holy scriptures say (else you get into all sorts of complicated things like how much you have to accept to actually be classed as it), so it's pretty safe to assume that a Christian would believe that if you don't follow Jesus you will burn in hell for all eternity. If you were against thinking that then you would not be prejudiced in saying so, there is a reason to be in that it's a pretty horrible thing to go spreading around, 'do this or you will be in eternal suffering', and no I'm not saying that EVERY Christian would go spreading that around but apparently to you me saying 'general rule' means every follower of that religion.
Quote:"The point is insulting someone just based on their religion is a very personal issue, and could harshly offend a lot of people."
So is offending them based solely on their gender or sexuality but you don't see them getting special mentions.
Quote:"Would it be ok with you, Bob, if a new player joins the server, mentions they are of a specific religion, and someone makes fun of them for it causing the new player to quit the server?"
No it wouldn't, neither would I be okay if they quit the server for constantly being PvPed or bullied for having a stupid name or harrassing that person in general. I wouldn't be okay if anyone was made to quit the server for any reason. I'm not saying it's okay to do it, I'm just saying it's nothing deserving of a special mention, where worse things aren't. It does not need a special mention as it would come under '5) The continuous insulting and verbal abusement of another player is considered harassment.'
Quote:"I see no difference at all in making fun of someone based on their religion and making fun of someone based on their race."
Then you are the person being morally wrong here, you can choose your religion, you can't choose your race. If there was something you found that you were massively against in that religion you could leave it. If someone else finds something they're massively against in a religion they should have every right to be allowed to speak up. Yeah not every individual agrees with everything in their religion but it's not as bad to moan at someone for that aspect than to moan at them for having a skin colour, mainly because it is actually written down for that religion that they have to follow a certain rule that may well be controversial.
Quote:"Both are judging someone without any other knowledge of who they are or the in-depths of what they think."
Christian- Follows Jesus, likely believes in heaven or hell, probably follows the Bible and knows the rules it speaks of within yet still choose to accept it.
Being French- You are French.
You can tell a lot more about someone by their religion.
Quote:"I'd also like to mention that you're totally wrong for generalizing "all Christians oppress homosexuals" - you should really know more about a religion before you go making assumptions about every person following the religion first."
Misquoted me, I said 'as a general rule', not once there did I say all members of that religion, if I were to go in to specifics then the post would be a lot longer than it would have been. Also, 'you should know more about [...] before making assumptions' isn't that sentence in itself hypocritical, you've no idea how much I do or do not know about it.
Quote:"Also, making fun of gender and sexuality falls under this category: Section 4 - 5) "The continuous insulting and verbal abusement of another player is considered harassment." I think regardless if a person is being verbally abused or made fun of, if the victim asks the abuser to stop, they should be inclined to stop no matter what the person is being verbally abused about."
Exactly, if they don't get a special mention and just go under that rule, why does religion get special mention?
You seem to be misunderstanding the point here and trying to make me look the bad guy. I am NOT saying making fun of someone's beliefs is bad, I am saying that it is no where near as bad as to get grouped in with racism (atleast when sexuality and gender aren't), and should be taken out of that section and be kept to the general abuse and harassment rule. I say this because you get people trying to get others banned for saying 'biblefaggot' when far worse stuff has been said.
The offensive bit in biblefag is not that they're calling them a faggot for being a Christian, it's that they seem to think being called gay is an insult, and quite frankly it's disgusting that people think being called a faggot is grounds for a ban because they find it offensive. Faggot is not offensive because it's calling people gay, it's offensive because people think it's a bad thing to be called and so use it as an insult.
With that in mind,
Quote:"I don't know how you missed that the term "biblefaggot" implies that an individual is a faggot simply because of their religious beliefs", I deliver a big 'Fuck you' to you sir, for you put the emphasis in the wrong place in that you evidently do think being called homosexual is an insult.
Still haven't proof read, have fun!
TL;DR yeah making fun of someone is bad, but it shouldn't get a special mention because then people try to take advantage and get people banned for undeserving reasons.